How Close is TOO Close?

Jul 26, 2023

How Close is TOO Close?

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Just how far from the TV do most people want to sit? We survey the LMG crew to find out…

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Content

0.13 -> - LG sponsored this video with their 86'' Nano90,

4.73 -> which is an 86 inch TV.

7.72 -> It's got NanoCell tech, which means it has nano particles

10.98 -> that absorb unwanted wavelengths for a wider color gamut

13.796 -> and bigger viewing angles.

15.99 -> And that kind of got us thinking.

18.08 -> Holy smokes, I mean, when you got a TV, this big,

20.61 -> are you gonna need like a dedicated theater room

23.14 -> just to have it fit in your field of view?

25.83 -> To find out we created this testing setup

30.56 -> and we're gonna subject all of the LMG staff,

34.7 -> well, not all of them, that's a lot of people now.

36.079 -> And we're gonna subject our staff

38.44 -> to this monstrosity of a TV and have them select

42.08 -> the distance at which they are most comfortable.

44.2 -> Then see how that compares to the prevailing wisdom

48.63 -> out there on the internet for just how far

51.17 -> you should be seated from your display.

54.92 -> (light beeps)

56.643 -> (upbeat music)

62.64 -> Nobody at LG or otherwise thinks that you should sit

65.561 -> three feet from a 86 inch TV.

68.91 -> So, why don't we back it off a little?

70.43 -> I didn't think about how much bigger this is

72.75 -> than my home TV.

73.67 -> So I've got a 77 inch at home,

75.61 -> which already is like ridiculously big, but this.

78.25 -> Something I think we're gonna run into

80.04 -> is that what you're used to is gonna make a big difference

83.12 -> to the comfort of your viewing experience.

85.15 -> If I was gaming, I might want to be a little bit closer

87.58 -> actually.

88.413 -> Right there.

89.246 -> That's as close as I think I could get for gaming.

91.24 -> From here just by flicking my eyes a little bit.

93.77 -> I can see the corners of the screen if I need to,

95.64 -> I don't actually have to move my head.

96.88 -> So this is, this is as close as I'd wanna get.

99.26 -> So how'd, I do then?

100.614 -> - Kinda depends who you ask.

102.553 -> So the way this is measured, isn't so much

104.79 -> about viewing distance, but about presence.

107.51 -> There's lots of different dimensions to presence.

109.22 -> Think about how immersive VR is.

111.78 -> - Right. - How much more immersive

112.613 -> a high refresh rate game is. - Or like audio

115.704 -> surround audio, sure. - Surround sounds.

116.64 -> - Okay. - So having your field of view

119.11 -> filled with the content is one element of presence.

121.71 -> - So where did I end up?

123.11 -> - You ended up actually at right on

126.42 -> one of the recommendations from S-M-P-T-E

130.86 -> or SMPTE, one of the institutions

132.69 -> that measures like color science and all this kind of stuff.

134.5 -> They recommend having your field of view,

136.206 -> 30 degrees of it filled with the content.

139.19 -> And that was a distance of 11.7 feet.

141.56 -> You were right on that.

142.79 -> - Interesting. - Yeah, so THX,

145.11 -> obviously their whole thing is movies, movie enthusiasts,

148.46 -> then their ideal distance is 8.6 feet.

152.76 -> That corresponds to your field of view,

154.75 -> 40 degrees of your field of view being filled.

156.69 -> They offer a range because they realize

158.46 -> that not everybody is gonna be in the same conditions

160.39 -> and people are different. - Yeah.

161.33 -> - So they say 40 degrees would be ideal,

162.965 -> but 36 degrees is also pretty goo.

165.667 -> And THX max acceptable distance,

168.53 -> which is 13 and a half feet, that's a 26 degree

171.56 -> field of view.

172.393 -> There's actually another line that we don't have

173.81 -> in the floor here and that's because our room is big enough.

175.436 -> And that corresponds to just 10 degrees

178.09 -> of your field of view being filled with content.

179.84 -> And that's from the NTSC.

181.71 -> When they're originally setting up like

182.778 -> TV broadcast standards. - Oh, so it's like back

184.52 -> in the seventies

185.6 -> - Yeah. - or whatever.

186.433 -> - So it would probably be - Where would I be?

187.74 -> - three feet back, like yeah, in the doorframe.

190.61 -> - No.

192.43 -> But what's the purpose of this line

193.95 -> 'cause this is way closer than what anyone thinks

196.61 -> is acceptable.

197.85 -> - So for a TV this size, five feet is how far you need

201.64 -> to be a way so that you don't discern the pixels.

204.97 -> So you don't get a screen door effect.

206.48 -> But there's other reasons that you wouldn't

207.61 -> wanna sit that close.

208.61 -> We've all been in the front row of the movie theater

210.13 -> where you had to like ping pong your head around

211.97 -> just to follow a conversation.

213.35 -> - Yeah it sucks. - And eye strain

214.183 -> is the big thing too.

215.45 -> Although interestingly, eye strain is worse

217.642 -> for adults sitting close.

219.74 -> That's why kids are always sitting close to the TV

222.189 -> and they think it's fine.

223.42 -> But when you're like, "Hey, you can't sit here.

224.99 -> This actually hurts." - Yeah, this is gonna give you

226.72 -> a headache. - It doesn't hurt them.

228.15 -> 'Cause their eyes are better at focusing on closer objects

230.61 -> than adults.

231.443 -> - So you can kinda say I got it right then?

232.798 -> - I think THX ideal would have been right.

235.7 -> - Let's see how the rest of the team lines up

237.73 -> with my experience then.

239.011 -> - This is totally watchable way back here,

241.51 -> but it's kind of a waste.

242.887 -> I think I'm gonna go with something like this.

245.76 -> Oh my God.

246.593 -> Damn, (chuckles) I'm right on where Linus was.

249.14 -> - I'd wanna be a little bit further away.

250.719 -> I think again, it just might be too close.

253.712 -> I would just feel more comfortable. (giggles)

258.07 -> I think at that point it's just personal preference,

260.057 -> like I don't like being too close to the TV.

263.05 -> - Feel like right here

264.05 -> is a pretty comfortable distance.

267.61 -> But you're not really strained to see stuff

269.38 -> even if I'm all the way back here.

270.78 -> It still feels like, wow, this is a pretty good experience.

274.55 -> If I were to design a living room,

276.84 -> I'd probably say like, like here.

280.95 -> - But yeah, a little bit closer for gaming.

283.52 -> And then a little bit further back,

285.51 -> a little bit more relaxed for more of like immersive movie

290.16 -> watching experience kind of thing.

291.92 -> - I'm the type of person who sits at the very back

293.61 -> of the movie theater.

294.97 -> Probably around here is comfortable for movies.

298.78 -> - This is what I would want if I want the best theater,

302.211 -> totally engrossing being transported away experience.

306.21 -> If I was just sitting at home, watching a movie

308.878 -> for the Carpool Critics podcast,

311.54 -> where we review movies and you should go subscribe,

315.04 -> I would probably be more realistically back here.

317.73 -> - If I was just sitting either gaming or watching a movie

320.13 -> by myself, right about here.

322.86 -> I could see the whole screen perfectly clear.

325.02 -> - Yeah, that's a good distance.

326.57 -> So let's see.

327.403 -> I always will measure 50, 55 degrees.

330.94 -> Each hand is about 10 degrees.

332.98 -> This is my final answer.

334.36 -> - [Linus] Your estimate would fill the field of view,

336.25 -> like degrees thing is actually pretty close.

338.09 -> - That's good.

338.923 -> That means the fist test works.

340.61 -> I always do this when I go to a theater.

342.29 -> - This will be like the optimal kind of distance with like

346.76 -> everything that's going to be there.

349.01 -> Whereas like, if it's purely just for like,

351.71 -> I want to experience whatever I'm watching itself

356.33 -> without having to worry about anything,

357.84 -> that's going to be around me, I feel like I'd be like,

360.75 -> yeah, a bit closer.

362.12 -> - So it's the next day and the results are in.

363.578 -> And interestingly, there's kind of two people in the world,

367.34 -> if the world is a sample size of 10 at our office.

370.212 -> The first type of person ended up over here,

373.8 -> the 30 degree mark.

375.2 -> And that's actually a viewing distance

376.98 -> that is espoused by a lot of home theater enthusiasts,

380.2 -> but it's also a really workable distance in a room

382.94 -> like a normal living room that has multipurpose.

384.888 -> So, it's actually still really close though.

388.3 -> The second type of person who got it

389.6 -> were kind of the more, "I like to be up close enthusiasts"

393.192 -> where they were between nine feet,

396.24 -> which is the THX kinda area, even as close as about seven.

399.63 -> This is a sweet experience and it might be closer

402.165 -> to the TV than you thought, if you were in the market

405.15 -> for a TV this size.

407.04 -> Especially with a TV, that's nice like this one is.

409.8 -> - It looks like about 40 local dimming zones.

412.2 -> So that's definitely less than that Vizio we looked at.

414.74 -> And peak brightness is not as high,

417.11 -> but HDR content does look pretty darn good.

419.72 -> It's hard to call an 86 inch TV like value,

422.14 -> but it's, that's how it's priced so.

424.266 -> It's got some other really cool features.

426.13 -> Free sync premium is included.

428 -> The eARCH port is actually one of the HDMI 4K 120 Hertz

432.93 -> ports.

433.763 -> So that's got some of the HDMI 2.1 standards built into it.

437.4 -> Obviously that's less of an issue today,

439.25 -> but as the new consoles roll out,

441.01 -> new PCs with new graphics cards, 4K 120 Hertz

444.448 -> may start to be a thing, mostly for gaming, obviously, but.

448.31 -> Man, that'd be kinda cool being able to go back

449.938 -> and like play your Xbox One or PS4 games

453.67 -> like your back catalog games, but at like 120 FPS.

456.831 -> Upscale.

458.03 -> - With at most? - What happens?

460.57 -> - So thanks to LG for sponsoring this video.

462.55 -> If you're interested in the 86'' NANO90,

465.13 -> their NanoCell LCD TVs, that come huge like this one,

469.074 -> then check them out at the link below.

471.255 -> Also, check out their 2020 OLEDS, also very sweet.

476.094 -> So thanks for watching guys.

477.32 -> If you like this video, then hit subscribe

479.73 -> and be sure to check out our other videos,

481.264 -> like "Our Future of TVs" video,

483.865 -> where we explain what the heck is Quantum-dot Enhancement

487.22 -> Film anyway.

489.04 -> Also you might be interested in our latest monitor review

492.27 -> of the Samsung G9 49 inch super ultra wide.

496.183 -> Sweet, sweet monitor.

498.517 -> See you next time.

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