Why Nuclear Energy Is On The Verge Of A Renaissance

Why Nuclear Energy Is On The Verge Of A Renaissance


Why Nuclear Energy Is On The Verge Of A Renaissance

For some, nuclear power may conjure images of mushroom clouds or bring back memories of disturbing nuclear disasters like Chernobyle and Fukushima. But despite public fear around nuclear power, the technology has proved to be an emission-free, reliable way to produce large amounts of electricity on a small footprint. As a result, sentiments about the technology are beginning to change.

Both the U.S. government and private companies including X Energy, NuScale and, Bill Gates-backed, TerraPower are pouring money into developing, what they say will be smaller, safer nuclear reactors. CNBC visited Idaho National Laboratory to see the Marvel microreactor firsthand and learn what such developments could mean for the future of nuclear power.

After humankind discovered nuclear fission, the first applied use was the atomic bomb. The study of fission for electricity production came later.

In December 1953, President Dwight D. Eisenhower gave his fateful Atoms for Peace speech, an impassioned plea to reconstitute the power of the atomic bombs dropped in World War II for a more noble cause.

“Against the dark background of the atomic bomb, the United States does not wish merely to present strength, but also the desire and the hope for peace,” Eisenhower told the United Nations.

Almost 70 years later, the tension between those end uses still underlies the space today.

From the 1950s through the 1970s, the United States dramatically increased its nuclear energy generation.

But the Three Mile Island accident in 1979 and Chornobyl meltdown in 1986 changed the landscape, spurring fear that nuclear energy could not be controlled safely.

Since the 1980s, nuclear energy capacity and generation in the U.S. has largely stayed flat. Today, the country’s fleet of nuclear power reactors produces only 19% of the country’s electricity, according to the government’s Energy Information Administration.

In more recent times, the Fukushima Daiichi accident in Japan in 2011 — and earlier this year the capture of nuclear power plants in Ukraine by invading Russian forces — have added to public concerns.

But despite its fraught origin story and the psychological effect of high-profile accidents, nuclear energy is getting a second look.

That’s largely because nuclear energy is clean energy, releasing no greenhouse gasses. Meanwhile, the world is seeing more of the effects of climate change, including rising global temperatures, increased pollution, wildfires, and more intense and deadly storms.

“We need to change course — now — and end our senseless and suicidal war against nature,” Antonio Guterres, the secretary-general of the United Nations, said in Stockholm on Thursday.

“There is one thing that threatens all our progress. The climate crisis. Unless we act now, we will not have a livable planet,” Guterres said. “Scientists recently reported that there is a 50-50 chance that we could temporarily breach the Paris Agreement limit of 1.5 degrees Celsius in the next five years.”

Watch this video for a dive into nuclear energy’s potential renaissance as a response to the growing crisis of climate change.

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Why Nuclear Energy Is On The Verge Of A Renaissance


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0.58 -> For some, the word nuclear may conjure images of
3.22 -> mushroom clouds or bring back memories of disturbing
5.97 -> nuclear disasters like Chernobyl and Fukushima.
9.64 -> Today, fears over nuclear safety are at the forefront
12.51 -> again as Russia's war on Ukraine rages on.
15.59 -> The nuclear threat remains present.
18.38 -> Russia has control of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power
20.7 -> plant in southeastern Ukraine. This was after an
23.02 -> unprecedented attack on that facility.
25.54 -> The nuclear weapons program was the first atomic
29.24 -> program, and out of that grew the application of that
33.33 -> technology, of the splitting of the atom for
35.46 -> energy production, not for destruction.
38.24 -> And so it's very difficult to separate those two
42.27 -> things. And a lot of people who are, for example,
45.6 -> concerned about nuclear weapons and the
47.52 -> proliferation of nuclear weapons and things like that
49.95 -> tend to be anti nuclear reflexively as a function of
54.09 -> the connection between those two things.
56.1 -> There's so much fear and so much misinformation.
59.38 -> And I think even now our media and TV like our
63.62 -> entertainment, it's a convenient villain, I think
66.16 -> nuclear is, because it is scary and radiation scary
69.05 -> and our industry hasn't done a good job of talking
72.5 -> about that. Like how it's okay to be scared, but
75.33 -> that's not the same thing as dangerous.
77.31 -> Despite public fear around nuclear power, the
79.63 -> technology has proved to be an emission-free, reliable
82.32 -> way to produce large amounts of electricity on a
84.57 -> small footprint. As a result, sentiments about the
87.42 -> technology are beginning to change.
90.57 -> Even Elon Musk has come out as a vocal proponent of
93.15 -> nuclear power.
95.11 -> The United States derives over 50% of its zero carbon
98.82 -> output for electricity from its nuclear power plants.
103.32 -> And so there's been a lot of money both at the state
106.12 -> level and now at the federal level, for keeping
109.27 -> existing nuclear plants open so that we continue to
113.39 -> retain that zero carbon value.
115.65 -> And also a lot of money going into what's called
117.91 -> 'the next generation of nuclear power,' which is
120.36 -> smaller reactors that are designed to be safer, and
124.88 -> cheaper and easier to deploy.
128.21 -> CNBC visited Idaho National Lab to see one of these next
131.37 -> generation nuclear reactors.
133.39 -> What you're looking at is called PCAT.
135.95 -> It's a full-scale prototype of the Marvel reactor, and
139.74 -> the Marvel reactor would be the first of its kind that
142.4 -> will be able to demonstrate how we can really
145.4 -> miniaturize a nuclear system into something that
148.26 -> is portable and transportable.
160.75 -> There are 93 commercial nuclear reactors at 55 sites
164.23 -> operating in the United States, with 26 reactors in
167.28 -> some phase of decommissioning. Only two
169.75 -> new reactors, at the Vogtle plant in Georgia, are
172.18 -> currently under construction.
174.01 -> Most of the historical reactor development happened
176.33 -> in the 1950s, sixties and early seventies.
180.13 -> This was at a time when our energy demand was growing
182.7 -> very quickly, much more quickly than it is now.
186.01 -> And sources of energy were thought to be relatively
189.03 -> scarce.
189.81 -> All 93 of the nuclear reactors operating
191.94 -> commercially in the U.S. today are what are known as
194.37 -> light water reactors.
196.09 -> The most widely used fuel for such reactors is
198.2 -> uranium, a common metal mined from rocks all over
200.73 -> the world. The United States imports the majority
203.38 -> of its uranium. Canada, Kazakhstan and Russia are
206.43 -> among the nation's biggest suppliers.
208.88 -> But in the wake of the war in Ukraine, the United
210.87 -> States is urging domestic producers to step up.
214.09 -> A light water reactor works primarily by using fission
217 -> reactions to produce heat.
218.77 -> Nuclear fission occurs when a heavy atom, like a uranium
222.35 -> atom, is bombarded with neutrons or interacts with
225.59 -> with neutrons. These particles interact with the
227.57 -> nucleus of a uranium atom and makes it unstable.
231.39 -> It splits apart. When it splits apart, it produces
234.06 -> large quantities of energy.
235.44 -> That energy release heats up the coolant, which in
238.9 -> light water reactors is water.
240.97 -> That heated water then produces steam.
242.86 -> The steam turns a turbine, which turns a generator,
245.09 -> which produces electricity.
247.29 -> Worldwide there are about 440 operational nuclear
250.01 -> reactors that are responsible for supplying
251.99 -> around 10% of the world's electricity.
254.73 -> The United States, once a leader in building out
256.94 -> nuclear power plants, has today fallen behind
259.46 -> countries like Russia and China.
261.37 -> There were several accidents which really affected the
265.12 -> public perception of nuclear power.
267.67 -> The Three Mile Island accident in 1979, the
271.46 -> Chernobyl accident in 1986, and Fukushima in Japan in
276.85 -> 2011. There hasn't been much construction of nuclear
280.36 -> power recently because of the change in perception
284.26 -> after these accidents.
285.91 -> And also in the nineties, the deregulation of the
289.94 -> energy markets in the United States left nuclear
293.31 -> power competing with all other kinds of energy on an
296.89 -> open market. And in those markets, natural gas is
300.29 -> cheaper.
301.29 -> The sheer volume of money which is required to build
304.61 -> large reactors in the United States today and the
307.05 -> amount of time that it takes is a significant
310.67 -> disincentive. Any utility company is going to say, you
313.46 -> know what, it's a lot easier for me to build a gas
315.25 -> plant. It's cheaper and people don't care as much.
320.44 -> Aside from challenges around public perception, costs and
323.2 -> construction time, another often cited criticism is the
326.56 -> fact that nuclear power plants produce radioactive
328.89 -> nuclear waste. Allison Macfarlane specializes in
332.42 -> nuclear energy and nuclear waste disposal and served as
335.48 -> chairman of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory
337.24 -> Commission for two and a half years.
339.28 -> Once the spent fuel comes out of a reactor, it's very
342.88 -> hot, both radioactively and thermally.
345.07 -> That material needs to be placed in a pool where
348.87 -> there's active cooling, water's actively circulated,
352.45 -> and that keeps that material cool while some of
355.02 -> the initial radioisotopes decay away.
358.11 -> And then it does get cool enough, after about five
360.44 -> years, that you can remove it from the pool and put it
362.76 -> in dry storage, which are basically these concrete and
366.06 -> steel casks that sit on a concrete pad and passively
369.57 -> cool the material.
370.96 -> But yes, that's a that's a safe practice and it's a
373.75 -> standard practice all around the world to do that.
377.14 -> In the U.S., nuclear waste is stored at the nuclear
379.32 -> reactor facilities because there's no national waste
381.64 -> repository. Plans to establish such a repository
384.64 -> at Yucca mountain in Nevada have been thwarted by local
387.32 -> and federal politics.
389.57 -> There are some countries like France that also
392.04 -> reprocess spent nuclear fuel.
394.09 -> It is possible to take used fuel and process it, recover
397.96 -> the useful materials, the remaining enriched uranium,
401.08 -> the other fissile material such as some of the
403.06 -> plutonium, and that could be used as fuel in future
405.77 -> reactors.
407.23 -> But that too is not a perfect solution.
409.43 -> That costs a lot of money.
411.23 -> We won't do that in the U.S.
412.68 -> because uranium is plentiful and cheap.
416 -> Another common argument against nuclear power is
418.2 -> that we already have other renewables to help us
420.6 -> decarbonize.
421.86 -> Nuclear is a baseload power source.
423.2 -> That means it runs all the time.
425.16 -> For renewables to be used all the time, you need to
429.15 -> have a huge build-out of battery technology.
432.53 -> Right now, that doesn't exist.
438.02 -> Nuclear power in the United States has changed its
441.93 -> future, and its prospects have changed quite
444.68 -> substantially over the last 2 to 3 years.
447.96 -> There were a number of plants that were in line to
451.07 -> be shut down and some were shut down.
453.15 -> But a number of states and now the Biden administration
457.9 -> has made a determination that you need those plants
461.44 -> and their zero carbon electricity output in order
464.85 -> to meet the climate objectives of the country
467.04 -> and also at the state level.
469.58 -> The war in Ukraine has disrupted energy markets in
471.88 -> Europe and reignited conversations around the
474.39 -> need for countries to be energy independent.
476.82 -> In the wake of Fukushima, the German government made a
479.62 -> determination to shut down all of their nuclear energy
483.25 -> and make themselves even more dependent on Russian
486.55 -> natural gas.
488.21 -> Back in the U.S., one of the plants scheduled to be
490.45 -> decommissioned is Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant
493.15 -> in San Luis Obispo, California.
495.34 -> The state's last remaining nuclear power plant has a
497.62 -> long history of anti-nuclear protests.
500.71 -> Lately, there's been heated debate on whether to extend
503.07 -> the plant's lifespan beyond its planned 2025 retirement.
508.14 -> The reasons why nuclear power plants are shut down
510.37 -> are often complicated and typically come down to
512.7 -> political and economic factors.
514.97 -> The two drivers for nuclear are price and politics.
518.41 -> But one Diablo Canyon employee says that the clean
520.67 -> energy produced by the plant is still needed.
523.09 -> Part of the reason that the closure of Diablo Canyon was
525.75 -> announced so early in 2016 with a nine year lead time,
531.21 -> was so that we could prepare and get more clean
533.37 -> energy online so that when we shut Diablo Canyon, we
536.81 -> could replace it with clean energy and we just haven't
539.06 -> made much progress.
540.21 -> Heather Hoff has worked at Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power
542.59 -> Plant for over 18 years.
544.69 -> In 2016, she co-founded Mothers for Nuclear, an
547.9 -> activist group that supports the protection of
549.73 -> existing nuclear power plants, as well as the
551.8 -> construction of new ones.
553.45 -> Still, Hoff says she understands the reluctance
555.66 -> to embrace nuclear power.
556.9 -> And it's something that she herself struggled with when
559.31 -> she started working at Diablo Canyon.
561.67 -> My family was pretty nervous about me working there, and
564.97 -> I was a little nervous as well. I'd heard a lot of
567.94 -> stories, you know, of scary things and just didn't
572.02 -> really know how I felt about nuclear.
573.78 -> I spent the first probably six years of my career there
576.91 -> asking tons and tons of questions and eventually
580.8 -> kind of changed my mind about nuclear and realized
583.9 -> that it was in really good alignment with my
587.24 -> environmental and humanitarian values.
589.83 -> Californians seem to be changing their views, too.
592.21 -> A recent poll found that 44% of voters are in support
595.75 -> of building new nuclear plants, compared to 37% who
599.15 -> oppose such a measure. But that's not to say Hoff never
601.54 -> questioned her newfound respect for nuclear power.
604.27 -> In March 2011, a 9.0-magnitude earthquake
607.76 -> struck off the coast of Japan, triggering a tsunami.
611.12 -> Suddenly, the world had a nuclear disaster on its
613.58 -> hands.
614.38 -> Brian, for the first time, Japan declared an atomic
617.05 -> emergency at two nuclear power plants and Japanese
620.1 -> officials say they have lost control of two
622.36 -> reactors.
623.73 -> For any existing reactor.
625.6 -> What you need is to be able to continue to pump the
628.61 -> coolant around the fuel so that it doesn't get too hot
632.69 -> and then melt down. And what happens is in
635.79 -> Fukushima, the electricity went out.
638.47 -> And then in every reactor, there's backup generation,
641.88 -> which is mostly diesel fuel.
644.86 -> But the diesel generators in Fukushima were on the
648.66 -> ground and were swamped by the tsunami.
652.68 -> And so they weren't able to keep the coolant pumping.
656.49 -> And so the fuel melted down.
658.44 -> It's sitting at the bottom of the reactor.
660.56 -> And then the explosions that you saw was the build
662.49 -> up of hydrogen inside of the reactor containment that
666.12 -> then blew.
666.74 -> I was actually in the control room at Diablo
668.78 -> Canyon during the few days when the Fukushima events
671.78 -> were unfolding.
673.38 -> And it was super scary.
676.09 -> And it's like my worst nightmare as an operator,
679.39 -> you know, to be there and think about these other
682.85 -> operators just across the ocean from us and they don't
686.49 -> know what's going on with their plant.
687.82 -> They have no power. They don't know if people are
689.98 -> hurt. Some of what I was hearing on TV and the media
692.84 -> was pretty scary.
693.88 -> But then, you know, like when we actually learned
696.38 -> what was going on, it wasn't as bad as I thought.
700.14 -> No one was actually hurt by events that happened at the
702.54 -> plant, and that was really surprising to me.
705.25 -> So I kind of went from like, Oh my gosh, I'm going
708.05 -> to have to quit to like, Oh, now I feel even more
711.78 -> strongly that nuclear is the right thing to do.
715 -> Although there have been no direct deaths attributed to
717.3 -> the Fukushima disaster itself, over 160,000 people
721.32 -> were evacuated from their homes as a result of the
723.6 -> tsunami and nuclear incident.
725.62 -> About 41,000 have not yet been able to return home.
728.82 -> Some experts predict that it will take another 30
731 -> years to clean up the Fukushima plant.
733.13 -> But there is some good news. A 2021 report
736.32 -> concluded that the doses of radiation that Fukushima
738.67 -> residents were exposed to are such that future
741.52 -> radiation associated health effects are unlikely to be
744.25 -> discernible.
747.24 -> After every major nuclear accident, there has been a
751.75 -> regulatory response and the industry in the United
755.27 -> States and around the world has been required to make
758.75 -> changes, often substantial changes, to their
762.97 -> facilities. We learned that in the case of the Fukushima
767.26 -> accident, for instance, that we've never planned for
769.94 -> more than one reactor to meltdown at a site at a
774.66 -> time. Sites had insufficient backup
777.81 -> capabilities in case more than one reactor went down
780.68 -> at a time. And so all reactors were required to
785.16 -> build up their capabilities against natural hazards and
788.58 -> reevaluate natural hazards.
790.89 -> Experts say the 1986 Chernobyl accident was the
793.73 -> result of flawed reactor design and inadequately
796.48 -> trained personnel. Chernobyl is, to this day
799.46 -> considered the world's worst nuclear disaster.
802.23 -> In many ways, it forever altered the way nuclear
804.57 -> reactors are built and run.
806.44 -> What you see when you look at it, any nuclear reactor
809.62 -> that's of the current generation, is this big
812.84 -> curved concrete covering over the reactor, what is
817.34 -> called the reactor vessel.
819.04 -> And so that didn't exist in Chernobyl.
821.77 -> So when it melted down and it spread a lot of
825.25 -> radiation, it was a disaster.
829.53 -> Today, the industry is working on another crop of
831.62 -> nuclear power reactors known as advanced reactors.
834.77 -> Advanced reactors will have very few refueling cycles.
838.95 -> It's going to have extremely improved
840.66 -> economics. And the safety pedigree has to be extremely
844.09 -> high to the point where there are accident scenarios
848.02 -> that are not even possible.
849.72 -> Compared to conventional light water reactors.
852.25 -> Advanced nuclear reactors are designed to be simpler
855.2 -> and may use different fuel types and coolants in order
857.83 -> to improve operational performance and safety.
860.89 -> Among these advanced nuclear reactors are molten
863.18 -> salt reactors, high temperature gas reactors and
866.4 -> sodium cooled fast reactors.
869.73 -> All of these technologies are based on technological
873.21 -> concepts which were developed in the early phase
876.18 -> of nuclear power. But there's now a desire by
879.87 -> governments to try and perfect them in a way that
883.31 -> we haven't been able to do in the past.
885.64 -> For the past two years, Yasir Arafat and his team at
888.64 -> Idaho National Laboratory have been working on a
890.75 -> prototype of an advanced nuclear reactor known as
893.3 -> Marvel. While the current fleet of large nuclear power
896.87 -> reactors can each produce upwards of 1,000 megawatts
899.82 -> of electricity, Marvel is what is known as a
902.68 -> microreactor. As their name suggests, microreactors are
906.42 -> much smaller in size and operate at a much smaller
908.85 -> scale, producing less than 20 megawatts of electricity.
912.57 -> Though being a prototype, Marvel will only produce
915 -> about 100 kilowatts of electricity.
917.27 -> Instead of powering an entire city.
919.48 -> A single microreactor can be used to power a hospital,
922.26 -> military base or disaster zone.
924.49 -> The advantage, Arafat says, is that microreactors can be
927.29 -> manufactured at scale in factories, significantly
930.3 -> cutting costs and construction time.
932.94 -> Plus microreactors would increase electric grid
935.09 -> resilience because if one reactor goes down, it can
937.9 -> easily be swapped for another. But use cases for
940.98 -> microreactors go beyond electricity production.
943.7 -> A lot of the end customers, they're not necessarily
945.77 -> looking for electricity, but they're looking for
948.01 -> high-grade heat for different applications,
950.97 -> running a chemical process or industrial process, or
954.36 -> even using low-grade heat for district heating.
957.41 -> This machine can actually deliver both.
959.62 -> As for safety, Arafat points to several features.
962.45 -> First, automation.
963.87 -> These systems are designed to be self regulated, so you
966.8 -> don't require hundreds of operators to run these.
970.13 -> You essentially would need one or two just for
972.27 -> oversight, but they wouldn't necessarily need to
975.36 -> control the system manually.
977.77 -> Eventually, Arafat envisions a system that won't require
980.52 -> any operators. Instead, the reactor would be able to
983.45 -> self-regulate, automatically adjusting to
985.61 -> the energy needs of the power grid.
987.47 -> In case something does go wrong, the systems would
989.62 -> also be equipped with shielding.
991.23 -> There's going to be extensive amount of
992.88 -> shielding around these systems that actually not
996.46 -> only provides radiation protection, but also
999.01 -> provides protection from external weather conditions
1002.42 -> or manmade hazards.
1004.46 -> As opposed to water, the Marvel reactor will use a
1007.2 -> sodium potassium eutectic mixture coolant designed to
1010.24 -> more efficiently remove heat from the reactor core.
1013.36 -> The fuel will also be different.
1015.12 -> We're using a fuel called uranium zirconium hydride.
1019.22 -> Why do we use this fuel?
1020.26 -> Because it actually has a very strong safety pedigree
1024.42 -> that is inherent to the physics of the material.
1027.79 -> So when the reactivity goes up, the reactor
1030.16 -> automatically powers down almost instantaneously.
1034.34 -> That allows us to design a reactor that is extremely,
1037.61 -> extremely safe.
1038.7 -> Another characteristic of Marvel's fuel is that it's
1040.95 -> more highly enriched than the fuel used in
1042.68 -> conventional light water reactors, meaning you need
1045.24 -> less of it and it does not need to be swapped out for
1047.91 -> new fuel as often. But there is a catch.
1050.82 -> The standard enrichment level in a light water
1053.29 -> reactor is about 4% and 4.5% uranium.
1057.49 -> In an advanced reactor, it needs to be closer to
1061.76 -> 19%-20%. And the challenge you have is the
1066.38 -> International Atomic Energy Agency has a standard that
1071.12 -> says any enrichment above 20% is weapons usable.
1076.5 -> And so everyone is aiming for as close to 20% as they
1080.23 -> can get without going over that limit, because nobody
1083.24 -> wants to be accused of trying to proliferate
1085.63 -> nuclear weapons. And so the development and creation of
1089.33 -> this high enrichment fuel doesn't exist in the United
1093.07 -> States at the moment. We're pouring money into these
1096.39 -> advanced reactor development programs, and
1099.35 -> the fuel doesn't exist.
1101.38 -> But the U.S. government is working on establishing a
1103.7 -> domestic supply chain for advanced reactor fuel.
1107.12 -> As a prototype, Marvel is not designed to be a
1109.09 -> commercial nuclear reactor.
1110.25 -> The whole purpose of this machine is not to come up
1114.67 -> with a commercial system.
1116.29 -> It's to come up with a system that can test new
1119.63 -> technologies to enable commercial designs out
1123.18 -> there.
1124.08 -> Marvel is expected to be up and running by the end of
1126.43 -> 2023.
1127.46 -> We have not really built a new nuclear system, not just
1130.93 -> in the national lab here, but as a nation for a few
1134.06 -> decades. So we are trying to use the Marvel reactor
1137.77 -> not to go through the design, development and
1140.61 -> demonstration, but also invent, reinvent the process
1144.64 -> that lets us go there.
1146.36 -> Also on Idaho National Laboratory's campus sits a
1148.95 -> large dome known as EBR-II.
1151.73 -> Originally the site of an experimental sodium fast
1154.08 -> reactor, the dome is now in the process of being
1156.56 -> refurbished to test the new crop of microreactors.
1159.52 -> This dome is going to allow us to work with private
1161.67 -> sector innovators to bring their reactor technologies
1165.28 -> up to operation for the first time.
1167.32 -> So we can remove fuel and materials and test its
1171.02 -> performance and verify that the performance of the
1173.99 -> materials and the fuels and the reactors is going
1177.31 -> according to what we expect, based on modeling
1179.84 -> and simulation and a lot of testing that we do prior to
1183.09 -> starting up the reactor.
1184.58 -> The Defense Department and companies like X-energy,
1187.07 -> NuScale and Bill Gates-backed TerraPower are
1189.92 -> all slated to test reactors at Idaho National Laboratory
1192.71 -> in the next decade.
1193.94 -> Our schedule on developing and deploying these reactors
1197.43 -> makes us competitive globally and offer solutions
1201.44 -> that China and Russia won't be able to.
1203.5 -> To in addition to advanced reactors, governments and
1206.47 -> private companies are working on machines to scale
1208.78 -> and commercialize nuclear fusion.
1211.31 -> Such a reaction produces energy by fusing atoms
1213.71 -> together, instead of breaking them apart.
1216.59 -> In theory, these devices would produce more energy
1219.2 -> than they would consume without expelling
1221.56 -> long-lasting radioactive waste.
1224.21 -> A prototype of such a fusion device.
1225.78 -> Called a Tokamak, is being constructed in France as
1228.83 -> part of an international effort called ITER.
1231.57 -> The project has so far cost around $22 billion and is
1235.17 -> expected to be turned on in 2025.
1237.66 -> There are a lot of folks who are skeptical of our ability
1241.04 -> to move forward and to demonstrate in a manner
1243.33 -> that's timely relative to climate change.
1246.48 -> But history counsels us to be more hopeful because we
1249.5 -> have done this before and we now have an enormous
1254.19 -> commitment from the federal government, as well as the
1256.62 -> private sector, to go ahead and do this again.
1259.33 -> To do it differently and to do it better, but to do it
1262.21 -> with urgency that that our situation demands.

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