The fight to rethink (and reinvent) nuclear power
The fight to rethink (and reinvent) nuclear power
New nuclear energy technology has come a long way - but can we get over our fears?
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0.39 -> When you think of the word nuclear, what comes to mind?
3.88 -> It’s probably some terrifying thought.
6.37 -> I can’t blame anyone for being nervous.
9.07 -> It’s a technology that we’ve been using
for decades that can really reduce global
14.39 -> warming,
15.39 -> but it’s not exactly something environmentalists
are that excited about.
19.099 -> The first thing many people think of is nuclear
war and mushroom clouds.
22.9 -> You add into that major events like Three
Mile Island and Chernobyl and now most recently
28.24 -> Fukushima,
29.529 -> and those have had incredibly profound consequences
on people’s immediate feelings and images
36.93 -> and associations with this technology.
39.559 -> This isn’t something where the public has
the view wrong.
41.9 -> It is a technology with a reputation that’s
been earned.
49.39 -> I mean, if a nuclear power plant was being
built in my town, I’d be pretty nervous
56.5 -> about it.
57.5 -> However, as a conservationist, that makes
me feel really conflicted because these power
62.21 -> plants don’t emit CO2,
64.19 -> and that’s the main pollutant that’s causing
climate change.
67.1 -> When you look at the technology and you ask
yourself:
69.72 -> How are we going to solve this problem of
climate change?
72.98 -> To not have nuclear energy be on the table
makes the job much harder.
77.67 -> Now for the most part these plants work really
well.
80.24 -> They supply about 20 percent of the electricity
on the US power grid.
84.369 -> But almost all of them in the US were built
over 35 years ago.
88.37 -> In fact, they look like something out of a
vintage movie set.
92.29 -> And historically they’ve had two big problems:
95.149 -> They produce radioactive nuclear waste and
they can be vulnerable to a disaster like
100.119 -> a nuclear meltdown.
102.079 -> Nuclear meltdowns happen because water that’s
used to cool the radioactive fuel rods can’t
106.68 -> be pumped in.
108.009 -> Usually due to something like a backup power
failure.
110.899 -> This fuel heats up rapidly, and since these
reactors operate at high pressure, there can
116.01 -> be explosions from all of this excess heat.
118.88 -> You can think of it like a balloon popping
and releasing the air inside — but in this
123.25 -> case, radioactive air.
125.689 -> Leslie Dewan is trying to fix this.
127.99 -> She runs a startup company called Transatomic
Power.
131.35 -> They’re trying to build new power plants
without this problem.
134.89 -> Our reactors operate at atmospheric pressure
and you don't need that typical containment
139.65 -> dome.
140.65 -> You don't need the big stacks.
141.65 -> You have a lot more flexibility in the architecture
of the plant.
145.02 -> And that low pressure also means there’s
no way to have that nuclear balloon pop scenario.
149.47 -> But it isn’t just about stopping disasters.
152.56 -> The fuel itself is toxic and has to be stored
underground for thousands of years.
158.53 -> And unfortunately we don’t use it very efficiently.
161.709 -> The solid fuel can only stay in the reactor
for a limited amount of time before it starts
166.56 -> to break itself down and you have to physically
remove it.
169.9 -> You can only extract about 4 percent of the
energy that you could conceivably get out
174.58 -> of the uranium, and the rest is left behind
as waste.
178.51 -> This is like opening up a bottle of water,
taking a sip, and then tossing it out.
183.19 -> But that’s actually how older reactors use
nuclear fuel.
187.09 -> The next-generation reactors are using fuel
much more efficiently.
191.66 -> Transatomic’s reactor design will use the
fuel in a liquid form so that it can stay
196.29 -> in the reactor for a longer period of time.
199.43 -> A lot of the advanced nuclear reactors can
consume much more of the energy from the uranium.
205.33 -> You can get much, much higher fuel utilization.
208.04 -> Which means that you're leaving significantly
less waste behind.
212.15 -> And this is a trend in the field.
214.09 -> There’s a huge interest to phase out conventional
fuel rods for different forms of fuel, for
219.431 -> a variety of reasons.
221.349 -> In the last 20 or 30 years, we've developed
different types of fuel, which cannot melt.
227.75 -> And which in fact—
228.75 -> What do you mean by that?
230.7 -> Physically cannot melt.
232.08 -> That’s Per Peterson, he’s a nuclear engineer
at the University of California Berkeley who’s
238.22 -> working on a next-generation reactor design
that uses an entirely different form of fuel.
244.129 -> Many older plants still use conventional fuel
rods.
248.049 -> This new design, known as a fuel pebble, encases
uranium in a golf-ball sized sphere.
253.89 -> It’s made of a very strong ceramic material
that can withstand much higher temperatures,
258.88 -> so it cannot melt and is safer to use.
262.44 -> Now this one was built to demonstrate that
you can fabricate it.
265.91 -> So it does not have uranium in it, but every
other way it is identical to the real thing.
270.69 -> Same weight and everything like that?
272.82 -> And they’re designed to be very safe.
275.92 -> You can drop this thing from 10 meters onto
a steel plate and it won’t break.
280.53 -> Or if I wanted to I could drop it right now.
285.3 -> So essentially, that fuel pebble is designed
to be its own self-contained system.
291.35 -> If a power failure does happen, the pebbles
just empty into a holding tank where they
296.42 -> cool down on their own.
298.28 -> No need for backup generators or water to
keep it cool to prevent a meltdown.
303.56 -> Okay, so why hasn’t this happened yet?
305.86 -> I mean we have better materials, we have reactors
with new designs and fuels that makes less
311.38 -> waste.
312.6 -> It actually sounds like we have the answers
to our problems.
315.94 -> So what’s the catch?
317.41 -> You know the old phrase, you never get a second
chance to make a first impression?
320.92 -> People’s first impression of nuclear energy
and nuclear power was mushroom clouds.
326.51 -> And if it's got the word "nuclear" associated
with it, it's just going to be very difficult
330.69 -> to convince people, no, no, we mean it this
time.
334.02 -> This one’s safe.
335.63 -> It puts nuclear energy in a very challenging
place.
339.75 -> Right now even solar and wind are cheaper
than nuclear power.
343.04 -> So there isn’t a lot of economic incentive
to build these power plants.
347.53 -> And if no one wants to build them, then companies
that make the parts go out of business or
352.27 -> go somewhere else where new plants are being
built, like China.
356.82 -> Those that are under construction now, the
economics have been really grim.
360.93 -> The number of plants that have been started
and the price overruns have been massive.
366.03 -> One of the problems is just simply transporting
the components.
369.84 -> Instead of getting parts locally like we did
in the 1960s and ’70s, the parts today are
374.85 -> shipped from overseas.
376.63 -> And these aren’t just basic nuts and bolts
— these are huge complicated components.
381.32 -> If a section of a reactor vessel breaks during
transport, it needs to be fixed or a new one
387.2 -> needs to be built and reshipped, taking more
time and money to complete.
392.21 -> I think that it's going to be very interesting
to see how startup companies tackle those
399.84 -> problems.
400.84 -> And this is a very different space from where
the traditional technology evolved.
406.64 -> Now rapid innovation has happened in other
industries.
409.33 -> Look at SpaceX for example.
411.29 -> They went from a concept rocket to delivering
supplies to the International Space Station
416.72 -> in a matter of years.
418.25 -> The technologies that are being researched
now that look very promising range from small
423.22 -> modular reactors where the whole nuclear power
plant comes on the back of a flatbed truck,
428.91 -> gets parked, plugged in, and when the fuel
is used up simply gets taken away as a unit
433.49 -> to be reprocessed.
435.05 -> These small modular reactors could have specific
uses.
439.44 -> Like powering a data center that’s using
electricity around the clock.
443.46 -> We have startups building cheaper, smaller
reactors that don’t melt down.
447.53 -> We have engineers making fuel that doesn’t
produce much waste.
451.64 -> While the public image of nuclear energy is
rooted in the past, the nuclear energy of
456.25 -> today is a whole different ballgame.
458.91 -> People like me view nuclear as being a necessary
piece of carbon-free energy production.
465.38 -> There's less of that fear of nuclear, and
more of, sort of a need to use everything
473.61 -> in our toolbox to combat climate change.
476.79 -> There are other energy sources that we may
be overlooking.
480.05 -> For example, scientists are actually turning
to poop to power cars.
484.89 -> Head over to climate.universityofcalifornia.edu
for more.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poPLSgbSO6k