First Drive Comparison: 2023 Nissan Z vs 2023 Toyota Supra A91-MT / Save the Manuals

Aug 3, 2023

First Drive Comparison: 2023 Nissan Z vs 2023 Toyota Supra A91-MT / Save the Manuals

The old Nissan 370Z has been in production since 2008. It is a dinosaur by automotive standards. Now in 2023, the Nissan Z returns but it’s not completely new. Meanwhile, the Toyota Supra that was reintroduced in 2020 finally gets what fans were demanding since its reincarnation. A manual transmission. So with both of these “400 hp” sports cars being new, how do they stack up against each other?

Disclosure: I had the opportunity to test drive both cars at the beginning of December which means cold temperatures and ice on the roads. Both vehicles were equipped with performance summer tires which provide little to no grip when temperatures are hovering around the freezing mark. So unfortunately I was not able to fully explore the dynamics of each vehicle. I couldn’t even reach half their potential for fear of crashing. So this review will be a first drive impression of these cars. But I will try to bring these two together again in the Spring or Summer of 2023 for a proper review.

Starting with the new car first, the 2023 Nissan Z is actually made up of older parts. The chassis is a modified version of the same chassis that the 370Z rides on. The engine is straight from an Infiniti Q60 Red Sport. And the 6-speed manual transmission is also from the old 370Z. But while the Nissan Z is made up of “hand-me-downs”, they all work together to make a pretty potent street car. The twin turbocharged V6 engine produces 400 hp and 350 lb-ft of torque (298 kW \u0026 474 Nm).

On the other hand, the 2023 Toyota Supra’s 3.0L turbocharged inline-6 engine does feel intimidating, despite it having less power… on paper. It is rated for 382 hp and 368 lb-ft of torque (285 kW \u0026 499 Nm). But owners and other publications have dyno tested stock Supras before and the horsepower numbers are just a little above the 400 mark.
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0:00 Intro - Don’t Forget to Subscribe :)
1:08 Performance - Which car is more fun to drive?
7:07 Comfort - Are they comfortable?
11:44 Odds and Ends - Which one is better equipped?
13:59 Conclusion - Which one should you buy?

Content

0.84 -> to my left the 2023 Nissan Z with a six-speed manual

5.58 -> to my right the 2023 Toyota Supra with a six-speed manual let's go for a drive

39.48 -> [Music]

68.58 -> before we get started I have to note that this video is more of a first impressions

89.7 -> type of review of both cars the Z is from Nissan Canada and the Supra is owned by a friend of mine

96.36 -> unfortunately the Z was only available during this time in early December which means frigid

102.24 -> temperatures and guess what snow so I didn't really have a whole lot of time with the cars and

108.06 -> I couldn't enjoy each one due to the conditions and the fact that they both had summer Tires

113.46 -> but I will try to get my hands on both cars again in the spring or summer of 2023 for a

118.74 -> proper review so make sure you subscribe to see that video starting things off in the Nissan Z it

126.54 -> still has a V6 under the hood but it's not the old 370Z V6 instead it is the V6 from the Infiniti Q60

136.32 -> red sport so it's a three liter v6 that is Twin turbocharged and it produces 400 horsepower and

143.58 -> 350 pound-feet of torque and the old 370Z you had to rev the heck out of the engine before it

149.82 -> produced enough torque to get the car going in the new Z Peak torque has reached at just 1600 RPMs

156.42 -> this makes the car not only faster but also much more responsive when the engine is at low RPMs

162.48 -> the turbochargers pull up quickly to provide maximum boost and you can actually see how fast

167.28 -> the turbos are spinning thanks to a new gauge in the center of the dashboard on city streets like

172.2 -> how I'm driving right now this car feels very manageable I don't feel intimidated by the 400

178.2 -> horsepower in the 350 pound-feet of torque you can get this V6 with a 9-speed automatic or you

185.04 -> can get it with the six-speed manual that this one has it retains the Synchro rev match feature so it

190.98 -> will automatically blip the engine every time you downshift but you can turn it off at the switch of

196.2 -> a little button right here next to shifter the shifter doesn't feel quite as crisp as the one

201.12 -> in the Toyota Supra but it does feel more again user friendly when you're just driving on city

207.78 -> streets however in second gear when shifting into second gear either from first or from third I have

214.8 -> noticed that it's just a little bit more difficult to get it into second compared to all the other

219.42 -> gears but other than that I really don't have that many complaints about this shifter around corners

225.48 -> the Nissan Z feels well it feels more like a GT sports car it doesn't quite feel as sharp

232.02 -> and as track focused as the Supra the steering is on the light side actually it's pretty light

237.72 -> for a sports car I prefer it if it was heavier so that I can actually feel what the front wheels and

242.94 -> front tires specifically are doing and how much grip they have it is direct and responsive pretty

249 -> much all electric power steerings are but it's just missing that field it needs to be a little

254.76 -> bit heavier and a little bit less assisted other big changes to the Z include a stiffer chassis

260.88 -> and a new limited slip differential with the power that this engine produces the back end

266.4 -> can easily go sideways but thanks to the chassis updates the 2023z is quite manageable when you're

272.58 -> looking out the side windows if you catch my drift intent and the Toyota Supra you get a turbocharged

280.38 -> three liter inline six it produces 382 horsepower and 368 pound-feet of torque according to Toyota

288.72 -> a lot of Independence owners and magazines and auto reviewers they have tested or they

295.98 -> put the Toyota Supra on the dyno and it's produced more power than that but all I can say is Toyota

301.5 -> claims 382 horsepower 368 pound-feet of torque and this car has a lot of power the turbo spool

309.96 -> up immediately you reach Peak torque at just under 2000 RPMs and it is full Boost so this engine is a

318.06 -> little bit more intimidating to drive on city streets especially when the temperatures are

321.84 -> hovering around the zero Mark like how they are right now but this is a fabulous engine it has

328.02 -> power and torque pretty much everywhere in the RPM range response is immediate

335.88 -> it's just so nice as for the transmission it is a six-speed Manual of course and it's a little

344.16 -> bit crisper to shift than the one in the Z it just feels much more mechanical than the one in the Z

351.6 -> doesn't feel quite as I wouldn't say sloppy but it feels tighter than the one in the Z it does have

359.64 -> rev match just like the Nissan Z but I would think that in this one it's just a little bit faster to

366.54 -> respond and it knows exactly what gear to go to it's much more satisfying using this transmission

372.3 -> and swapping it between the gears then the one in the Z one of the first things that you'll notice

378.12 -> as soon as you start driving the Toyota Supra is just how fast and responsive the steering

382.68 -> is I mean it's almost like telepathy every little minute input that you give to the steering wheel

388.44 -> the front wheels immediately react on top of all that it feels a little bit taller and tighter than

395.1 -> the one in the Z I can actually feel what the front tires are doing plus as an added benefit

401.04 -> it's not too light and it's also not too heavy so when I'm in rush hour traffic like right now

407.22 -> it's not tiring my arms out it has just enough weight so overall on a twisty Road or a race

414.06 -> track it's the Supra that shines between these two that's not to say however that you can't have fun

419.76 -> in the Z either it's just that it feels a bit more rewarding in the Toyota Supra than in the Nissan Z

426.6 -> [Music]

436.86 -> suspension than the 2023 Toyota Supra as a result the Z is much more comfortable as a

444.78 -> daily driven car the ride in the Supra is a bit more jittery and the ride height is lower as well

451.32 -> whereas in the Z it's much more forgiving when driving over a pothole

455.7 -> inside the Toyota Supra it looks very similar to all other versions of the Supra except for

461.7 -> the center console obviously they have had to make it a little bit wider to fit the shifter

466.5 -> as well as the iDrive controllers so it does protrude a little bit into the passengers area

472.98 -> but it's not too bad they still have plenty of space on their side

478.14 -> the only little niggle about the interior is the placement of the cup holders so as you can see I

483.18 -> got a drink in the most backwards cup holder and if I go to shift into second it gets in the way

490.92 -> you kind of have to do some awkward movements or maybe like go like this or like this whatever you

498.3 -> can because these cup holders get in the way of shifting but as for the rest of the Interior it is

505.02 -> very much like a BMW which is totally fine I mean it all has physical controls climates infotainment

512.34 -> system it is a touch screen of course and it all just works so I really can't complain about it

519.96 -> as for visibility the mirror and the infotainment system do block a little bit of the right portion

526.2 -> of the windshield but out the front and out the sides and even the blind zones on this

530.94 -> side it's not so bad the blind Zone on that side it is a little bit actually it's quite

536.1 -> blocked by the c-pillar but if you adjust your mirrors and use the blind spot sensors

542.22 -> you shouldn't have any issues out the back though well it is a sports car after all so yeah

548.46 -> visibility is limited just like in the Nissan Z speaking of which let's go sit in that car

555.36 -> in the Z it looks like a Nissan vehicle instead of something else like a Mitsubishi for example

562.32 -> all the controls are physical including volume knobs and temperature control knobs the shifter

568.62 -> is in a good place nothing really getting in the way except for just like in the Supra the

574.92 -> cup holder and single cup holder in this one that is unless you slide back the armrest then you get

581.58 -> a second one but with the armrest that far back you don't really have anywhere to rest your elbow

587.94 -> so you got to move it forward to actually rest your elbow on the armrest and yes the cup holder

594.72 -> kind of does get in your way just a little bit but it doesn't feel quite as much as the Supra

601.68 -> other than that the infotainment system is the same one that is used throughout other

605.52 -> Nissan vehicles you still get analog gauges a boost gauge on the far left a turbo speed

613.02 -> in the middle and a volt gauge on the far right but you do also have some auxiliary gauges and

619.62 -> the driver display right in front of you which is fully digital as for visibility again the mirror

626.1 -> does hamper a little bit of the visibility out the front right but at least you don't have the

631.86 -> infotainment system blocking a little bit from the bottom portion in the front it's pretty good the

637.74 -> a-pillar is nice and small out the side pretty good too to the right the c-pillar does block

644.4 -> my blind Zone area but just like the Supra the Z does have blind spot sensors and if you adjust the

651.72 -> mirrors correctly you shouldn't really have that many blind zones and finally for space they're

657.48 -> both pretty much identical they both have nearly identical amounts of Headroom and legroom and at

662.88 -> six foot four I have more than enough space and I also tested with the two liter Supra which I did a

669.72 -> review earlier in the year and I can easily fit a helmet while sitting down and not have the helmet

676.62 -> touch the headliner so because both of these cars have the same amount of Headroom I'm assuming that

682.56 -> the Z also has enough space for a helmet if you go to track days that is in the trunks the Toyota

689.34 -> Supra has more space at 290 liters while the Nissan Z has 241 liters but the hatch opening

696.54 -> is much wider in the Z than in the Supra which makes loading and unloading a bit easier [Music]

712.26 -> both vehicles are equipped with similar basic features they both have leather upholstery heated

717.84 -> seats Apple carplay and Android auto connectivity although it's Wireless carplay in the Supra

723.72 -> backup cameras parking sensors automatic climate control keyless entry and push button start

729.78 -> however the Toyota Supra has a few more features that are not available in the Nissan Z these

735.3 -> include a built-in navigation system a head-up display a 12 speaker audio system eight speaker

741.24 -> for the Z and fully power adjustable seats with adjustable side bolsters in the Z the seats are

747.9 -> power adjustable for front to rear motions and tilting of the backrest but if you want to change

753.18 -> the seat height lumbar or lift support it's done manually between these two cars obviously it's the

759.72 -> Nissan Z that's going to attract more eyeballs and I have noticed more people gawking at it than the

765.18 -> Toyota Supra mind you that could be because it's painted in a more flamboyant color than this Supra

772.56 -> but colors aside I do like how the new Z looks especially in person I think it looks

778.68 -> a bit better in person than it does in photos and videos that being said the Toyota Supra isn't bad

785.1 -> looking either but I would personally pick it in a different color maybe red just to clarify

793.02 -> the a91 Edition Supra that I'm driving is only available in two colors burnout which is a matte

799.92 -> white and see you later which is this gray that has copper highlights one direct sunlight hits it

805.32 -> the standard manual Supra has more options for colors and finally the price of these two cars

811.8 -> is what really sets them apart the 3 liter 2023 Toyota Super manual starts at 68 640 Canadian

819.12 -> the a91 edition package adds on approximately sixteen hundred dollars to that price the 2023

825.48 -> Nissan Z starts at forty six thousand four hundred ninety eight dollars Canadian for the base sport

830.04 -> trim with this performance six-speed manual trim costing fifty eight thousand four hundred

834.48 -> ninety eight dollars Canadian so essentially a ten thousand dollar difference between these two cars

840.54 -> so in the end how can I summarize these two sports cars well the Nissan Z is a little bit

846.9 -> more softer it's more of a sports GT car rather than a full-on track focused car the suspension

854.76 -> absorbs more bumps in the road and the engine is a little bit more forgiving and not as intimidating

859.56 -> as the one in the Supra whereas this it has a much harsher ride but the steering is just so

866.46 -> precise it's fabulous and that engine has tons and tons of power so that's kind of the best way to

875.34 -> differentiate the two if you want something that's more comfortable for daily commutes

881.4 -> the Nissan Z is the one you should be looking at but if you want a track weapon and you don't mind

886.44 -> the harsher ride then of course the Supra is the one to go for mind you this is significantly more

891.84 -> expensive than the Z but you can get it with a 2-liter engine and I did drive it in the past

897.48 -> and I genuinely do like it but unfortunately it doesn't have the manual transmission

903.42 -> so for me personally I'm still leaning more towards a Toyota Supra there's just

908.82 -> something about the way that it drives that so much more satisfying don't get me wrong

912.84 -> the new Z is fabulous I think it's a really great car but personally I'd go for the Supra

920.1 -> which one would you go for let me know in the comments if you want to know more about either

924.66 -> of these two sports cars I wrote a more detailed comparison review of them over on my website you

930.18 -> can find that link in the video description or click on the pop-up Banner right up there

934.98 -> and as always I will see you in the next car or truck or most likely an SUV anyway

942.36 -> thank you for watching please like And subscribe and I'll see you next time

968.46 -> [Music]

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